A few years ago, I was your typical office-worker: stressed out, uneven energy, overweight, and inconsistent complexion. Now I'm just your typical 28-year old urban hunter-gatherer on a quest to be healthy, and having a few adventures along the way. See my full bio.
Two vegans who fed their 11-month-old daughter only mother's milk went on trial in northern France on Tuesday charged with neglect after their baby died suffering from vitamin deficiency.
Sergine and Joel Le Moaligou, whose vegan diet forbids consuming any animal product including eggs and cow's milk, called the emergency services in March 2008 after becoming worried about their baby Louise's listlessness.
When the ambulance arrived at their home in Saint-Maulvis, a small village 150 kilometres (90 miles) north of Paris, the baby was already dead.
The ambulance workers called the police because the child was pale and thin, weighing 5.7 kilos (12.5 pounds) compared to an average eight kilos for her age.
The baby had only been fed on the milk of her mother, who was aged 37 at the time.
An autopsy showed that Louise was suffering from a vitamin A and B12 deficiency which experts say increases a child's sensitivity to infection and can be due to an unbalanced diet.
"The problem of vitamin B12 deficiency could be linked to the mother's diet," said Anne-Laure Sandretto, deputy prosecutor in the city of Amiens where the trial is taking place.
The couple has been charged with "neglect or food deprivation followed by death" and face up to 30 years in prison if convicted.
I hardly have the heart to comment. Unlike some vegan baby deaths, who were fed soy milk, this baby was breast-fed. I can't even imagine the trauma of being a woman and mother, and for your own breast milk to be as poison to your child. My emotions are alternating between a quiet, deep sadness and a loud, angry condemnation.
I think today is a day for quiet, deep sadness.
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The child died from
The child died from bronchitis, not veganism. Not being given solid foods still at age 11 months is odd to me, and potentially part of the B12 issue, but the vitamin A deficiency would NOT be likely in a plant based diet... unless the child had a thyroid issue that complicated the conversion of beta carotene (why carrots are orange) to retinols (vitamin A). No, this was not about the parents being vegan.
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Wow this is so sad and tragic
Wow this is so sad and tragic for these parents. I have tried western medicine to cure a mysterious ailment. I have also tried different nutritions and eastern medicine. Now I am trying veganism and it seems to be working. I don't believe I will stay vegan, however I will definitely eat a whole foods diet no more processed food for me. For now I am a raw vegan. As healthy as I am feeling for me this is just a rest to give my body the strength it needs to heal. I understand that meats, nuts, fish, dairy etc are work for the body to digest. Right now I am juicing my body is healing. When I start putting other foods of the earth in my body it wll pure pesiticide free, hormone free foods. Healthy grown and raised food sources. All of it will be in moderation. I have always looked for holistic cures first. With this mysterious illness it didn't work and I did western which didn't work either and now I am doing food for cure. I would not however subject my kids to this. I grew up on the typical American diet in a time when fast food was rare. Your mom cooked all your meals and bagged your school lunch. Even birthdays were special but celebrated with home cooking. Restaurant trips were rare like years apart not months or weeks. So Godspeed to these parents. I do believe the healthiest diet is one in which partake of all the beautiful plants, trees, grasses and even animals on this earth. However we do it with kindness and gratefulness for this bounty. Just my two cents
Wow this is so sad and
Wow this is so sad and tragic for these parents. I have tried western medicine to cure a mysterious ailment. I have also tried different nutritions and eastern medicine. Now I am trying veganism and it seems to be working. I don't believe I will stay vegan, however I will definitely eat a whole foods diet no more processed food for me. For now I am a raw vegan. As healthy as I am feeling for me this is just a rest to give my body the strength it needs to heal. I understand that meats, nuts, fish, dairy etc are work for the body to digest. Right now I am juicing my body is healing. When I start putting other foods of the earth in my body it wll pure pesiticide free, hormone free foods. Healthy grown and raised food sources. All of it will be in moderation. I have always looked for holistic cures first. With this mysterious illness it didn't work and I did western which didn't work either and now I am doing food for cure. I would not however subject my kids to this. I grew up on the typical American diet in a time when fast food was rare. Your mom cooked all your meals and bagged your school lunch. Even birthdays were special but celebrated with home cooking. Restaurant trips were rare like years apart not months or weeks. So Godspeed to these parents. I do believe the healthiest diet is one in which partake of all the beautiful plants, trees, grasses and even animals on this earth. However we do it with kindness and gratefulness for this bounty. Just my two cents
Wow this is so sad and
Wow this is so sad and tragic for these parents. I have tried western medicine to cure a mysterious ailment. I have also tried different nutritions and eastern medicine. Now I am trying veganism and it seems to be working. I don't believe I will stay vegan, however I will definitely eat a whole foods diet no more processed food for me. For now I am a raw vegan. As healthy as I am feeling for me this is just a rest to give my body the strength it needs to heal. I understand that meats, nuts, fish, dairy etc are work for the body to digest. Right now I am juicing my body is healing. When I start putting other foods of the earth in my body it wll pure pesiticide free, hormone free foods. Healthy grown and raised food sources. All of it will be in moderation. I have always looked for holistic cures first. With this mysterious illness it didn't work and I did western which didn't work either and now I am doing food for cure. I would not however subject my kids to this. I grew up on the typical American diet in a time when fast food was rare. Your mom cooked all your meals and bagged your school lunch. Even birthdays were special but celebrated with home cooking. Restaurant trips were rare like years apart not months or weeks. So Godspeed to these parents. I do believe the healthiest diet is one in which partake of all the beautiful plants, trees, grasses and even animals on this earth. However we do it with kindness and gratefulness for this bounty. Just my two cents
WHAT A THIS STUPID THING IS
WHAT A THIS STUPID THING IS THIS IM VEGAN OVER 8 YEARS WITH TWO GIRLS VEGETARIAN A ND VEGAN NEVER SICK ALWAYS HEALTHY ,I TEST THEIR BLOOD 3 TIME A YEAR AND THEY ARE HELTHY KIDS MORE THAN KIDS WHO EAT MEAT AND SMART THAT REGULAR KIDS WHO THE NUTRICION IS REALLY BAD JUST MEAT IS NOT GOOD,BE VEGETARIAN IS THE BEST,,,
I'd be curious to know how
I'd be curious to know how many cavities your kids have. How long have they been vegetarian/vegan? Were you vegan when pregnant and nursing?
Hi, I'm obviously a few
Hi, I'm obviously a few months late to comment on that article but I wanted to share a link to a french article on this sad story. You'll see that the fact that they re vegan is not the reason their child died, she died from a bronchitis they refused to cure instead using "poultices of cabbage, mustard and camphor"... Another example, she was never given any bath, she was "washed" instead with soil and clay. Well it is true that "Vegan baby dies because mother's milk was vitamin deficient" serves your point of view better than "Another child dies because of his crazy parents".The article in french http://www.courrier-picard.fr/courrier/Actualites/Info-regionale/La-fill...
I totally understand where
I totally understand where you're coming from, but if you understand biochemistry and the true qualities of nature you would understand why it was the vegan diet that was the true cause of death. The body can't handle much of anything if it is malnourished. Plenty of parents refuse to use typical, modern treatments for illness as well as not bathe their children, but with a sufficient diet those factors are not a problem. However, I don't agree with them pressing charges against the parents. They are "punished" more than enough by the death of their baby. They were doing what they thought was best. It's the governments, organizations, and companies that misinform the public about health and nutrition that should be behind bars.
It says right in the article
It says right in the article that the child died from pneumonia and general malnutrition. A little medical knowledge for you here. Guess what happens when a child is severely malnourished? Well, I won't keep you guessing. Their immune system eventually deteriorates and their ability to fend off infections becomes almost non-existant. Pneumonia may have killed the child, but the cause was malnutrition. Another fun fact. It is entirely possible, and recommended by the World Health Organization, for an infant to exist and be very healthy on nothing but breastmilk for well over a year. This child didn't even make it to a full year. Your argument is null and void.
Well, you seem like a nice
Well, you seem like a nice dude, and I thought we french were the ones looking down on everybody. Allright you like facts, here are some: 3 months prior to the child's death, they went to see a doctor for the very same bronchitis, the doctor saw the seriousness of her condition and wanted her to be hospitalized her parents refused. 3 months later she died. So basically that child was left agonizing for more than 3 months with fever, constant coughing and possibly many other symptoms. And then the author (well to be honest everyone reporting that story) choose the vegan side of the story. So my point is, does the agony of a child who was refused medical treatment really serves your point?
You really think that
You really think that parents should be forced to trust the medical system? I trusted the very same medical system so many in our society seem to almost worship and it only got me more sick and actually very close to death many times. The vegan diet is also dangerous. I've been on it and was brought closer to death again. It was not until I embraced a traditional diet that I started to actually get better. I'm healthier now than ever before. Also, while on the vegan diet, I started to get a cavitiy (had never had one before in my 24 years of life before that-- even on a somewhat typical American diet)--- my caivty repaired itself when I converted to a traditional diet rich in animal fats and proteins. I also lost weight, got more energy and got back my libido. Modern medicine doesn't heal-- it's a business out to make as much money as possible. I question anything promoted by that same system.
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This is not about vegansim.
This is not about vegansim. The parents neglected signs that their child was sick. Any diet can be healthy or unhealthy depending how much attention you pay to it. I see overweight children, children with ADD, who continue to be fed sodas and Mc Donalds and I don't ever read articles. "Mother feeds child pink slime for lunch" or "Diabetic overweight child seen sipping on Mountain Dew and Cheetos". Those habits are just as deadly and harmful. These children are suffering slowly and are lacking the nutrition they need to do to concentrate and thrive. This is one vegan associated death compared to the millions of children who are lacking the nutrition and suffering from the poisons and crap thats in their "food".
The point of the article is
The point of the article is not to say that veganism is the only bad diet you can have. Yes, a lot of parents could be charged with neglect if the judicial system looked at every case of death and illness the same way they looked at the case of these vegan parents. I'd like to invite everyone on here to consider the implications of trying to make anyone eat any sort of way. Why can't we just promote food choice and the freedom to choose for ourselves and our children even if it means some will suffer sad consequences like this? Trying to force any agenda will only make all of us more accountable for any death or illness. What ever happened to the idea of supporting parents in their roles instead of punishing them for everything they do wrong? The real crime here has nothing to do with nutrition, it has to do with control.
I understand what you are
I understand what you are saying and I like the idea of supporting parents. I think a lot of the mess that we are in is due to a lack of support. I think we are lacking support but also education. People do for the most part have the freedom to choose what foods to feed themselves and their children, without truly knowing where it came from or the ingredients inside of it. Their are so many hormones, artifical flavors, aritfcial colors, preservatives, gmo's, etc that are added to our foods that it is completly void of nutrition. Factory farmed meat is void of nutrients because of the conditons and feed given to the animals. I'd like to promote food choice but the bottom line is that most are unaware of the treatment of the animals, the consquences to the environment and their health. I'd like people to make informed decisions. If we all keep learning and researching we will have true freedom on food choice. I am sorry that you had a bad experience when you went vegan. I don't know your situation or circumstances to say anything on it but I really commend you for trying it! I don't think that it's unhealthy. There are many athletes, olympians, models, and every day people who are thriving. It definitely takes learning more about though.
It is about veganism. That
It is about veganism. That baby would still be alive if it's parents didn't live a [trendy] vegan lifestyle. And you still support that lifestyle? Even after a death of a baby? wtf?You're comparing apples to oranges -- and yes you do read about bad parents feeding their children crap. I read it all the time. I don't condone parents feeding them crap food; but veganism is on the same level to me. What's worse is that the parents are pushing their [in their opinion] high-and-mighty lifestyle in their kids, with detrimental effects.If parents feed themselves and thir kids as nature intended by eating lots of vegetables, meat, animal fats, nuts, and berries -- there would be a shit-tonne less of obesity, diabetes, and kids dieing of vitamin deficiencies. Here's another case:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364746,00.html
I understand that veganism
I understand that veganism is not healthy-- really at all. However, do you really think it wise to take the responsibility away from the parents? I guarantee that if society was more supportive of parents, this kind of thing would be even more rare and instead of punishing the parents in this case, they'd help and support them. No one will ever be convinced that your point of view is valid if you attack their views. They will only see you as an enemy. Don't be the enemy. If your diet is full of those wonderful, nutrient-dense foods you mentioned, please show it by being compassionate-- you should have a healthy gut & mind to make that easy. Even if parents choose "wrong", as long as they are not intentionally harming their children, they should not be punished for exercising their agency, authority and responsibility as parents.
Veganism is not healthy? How
Veganism is not healthy? How do you so readily discount twenty-five years of copious scientific and medical research that prove otherwise? Read the China Study, the greatest epidemiological study ever conducted, to see how meat and dairy consumption is the surest path to heart disease, osteoporosis, diabetes, cancer and obesity. Read Mad Cowboy, Becoming Vegan, Thrive, The Pleasure Trap, The Food Revolution, Fast Food Nation, Eat to Live, etc. Then watch Gary Yourofsky's lecture on you tube. The man regularly converts hardcore omnivores to veganism in under an hour and a half. If veganism is so unhealthy, then why do so many elite athletes thrive on a vegan diet (Tony Fiametta, Mac Danzig, Salim Stoudamire, Arian Foster, Serena Williams, Venus Williams, Keith Holmes, Timothy Bradley, Scott Jurek, Carl Lewis and Rich Roll among many, many others). If veganism is unhealthy, then why has my heart rate (60), cholesterol (135) and blood pressure (85/60) never been lower? I'm not more active than I was pre-vegan, and truthfully I am only occasionally active (biking, hiking, skiing, running, swimming). Why haven't I been sick in the nearly four years I've been vegan? Why am I maintaining an ideal weight effortlessly? How come I don't have any deficiencies? I don't have an iron deficiency, zinc deficiency, B12 deficiency, calcium deficiency, protein deficiency or vitamin D deficiency. I don't need to take any supplements, since I get everything I need from the sun (vitamin D) and organic, non-GMO food. I don't eat tofu, tempeh or seitan because I don't like the way they taste. I don't eat non-dairy cheese, yogurt or milk because I never liked the dairy versions of cheese, yogurt and milk. In my experience anyway, veganism is incredibly healthy.
You mentioned 25 years of
You mentioned 25 years of scientific research? My omnivorous diet is based on way more scientific and historical evidence than that. By the way, you may have read all those books, but have you actually looked at the studies themselves? I know of no athlete that has been vegan for more ten years and is thriving. There may be vegetarians, but certainly not vegans. Read actual scientific studies, talk to real scientists who do studies with integrity, and you'll see how the rest is just propaganda. If omnivorous eating leads to all those problems then explain why it is that all those diseases are more prevalent and yet our diets have become more plant based than they were 100 years ago. You should read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Dr. Weston A. Price. Also, the reason you are healthier is quite likely for several reasons, depending on your personal situation. For one, which omnivorous foods were you eating before? Was it the Standard American diet that included processed foods? Did you have very many raw foods in your diet previous to becoming vegan? You should also read The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith. I realize a lot of vegans and vegetarians don't like her, but I doubt many of them have actually read her entire book. So, if eating animal products is so risky and detrimental, tell me why my grandparents who grew up on nourishing animal foods and plenty of animal fat are over ninety and thriving. Not one case of cancer between them, no diabetes, no heart disease, relatively mild arthritis (for their age- they have been eating a fair amount of modern foods for the last few decades, so any ailments are easily explained by that), and they both still get around pretty well. I know dozens of individuals that had similar diets throughout their lives and have way less of these problems you claim animal products cause when compared to anyone who has been vegan for more than a few years. It's simple biochemistry that is backed by thousands of years of evidence. All you need to read is Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Unless you are converted to the ultra religious cult of veganism (which I personally have tried and almost died from), you will understand why it is that veganism has been "sold" to so many people over the last few decades, but is not truly nourishing. Whatever you choose, I wish you good health and happiness throughout your life. I am glad that you have experienced good health. It sounds like you do not eat very many of the really awful foods, but I would urge you to investigate it a little further so you can discover how nourishing animal foods can be (especially when they are not produced conventionally-- animals should always be treated humanely).
So only vegan parents are
So only vegan parents are "pushing their opinion" on their children? So what do you call the rest of parents that are passing on ideas about religion, marriage, lifestyle, education?Parents pass on ideas, culture, opinions and lifestlye to their children on a daily basis. Thats our job, to teach our kids what our idea is of a healthy lifestyle. These parents neglected signs that their child was sick. If they would have acknowledged and intervened the baby would most likely still be here. Veganism does not cause death. Malnutrition does. I condone healthy lifestyles where people are always learning and improving. I do not condone the neglect of sick children. More children are being harmed by meat filled fast food joints than they are from vitamin b deficiencies. You can provide as many links as you want. All we have to do is past a Mc Donalds to see the many children who are at that moment being fed shit or watch children excessively play video games rather than playing outside.
Have you considered that
Have you considered that these parents believed their lifestyle to be healthy enough that their child could recover without medical attention? I don't disagree with most of what you're saying, but I don't see why everyone is justifying the charges against these parents. If you're a parent, then support parental rights. I doubt these parents felt they were neglecting their baby. It can be difficult to know at what point one should question the lifestyle they've been living for so long so passionately. These parents need compassion, not criticism. BTW, veganism does cause death because it causes malnutrition. I almost died from veganism-- and a "well-balanced" vegan diet at that. The vegan diet is inherently flawed, but I stand up for your right to not only eat vegan but to feed your children that way if you truly believe it is best.
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Absolutely. And this article
Absolutely. And this article is trying to highlight the importance of the nutrition of the mother while breastfeeding. Statistically, there are probably way more deaths from infant formula than there are even from vegan breastmilk, but that doesn't mean veganism is healthy. Thank you for reinforcing the awesomeness of breastfeeding!
The science behind B12 is
The science behind B12 is well documented. It is only in meat products because farmers add it to the grain they eat. Mothers can store B12 without passing it to the baby, but only after 6 months. All babies need only breastmilk till 6 months of life. Then they need additional nutrition from foods, it's called weaning. B12 is a common problem as found in fewer foods than thought. This couple gave only breastmilk till almost a year of age, no health practitioner would recommend that. The problem here is not the diet but lack of diet for the child.
I don't know about that. The
I don't know about that. The World Health Organization promotes the idea that exclusive breastfeeding can be sufficient up to 1 year of age. The truth about weaning is that it typically should not start until 6 months of age. However, if a mother's nutrition is adequate, strictly breastfeeding to a year is sufficient. I just don't know of any mother that can handle exclusive breastfeeding that long, but they are apparently out there. Also, B12 is not just present in animal foods because "farmers add it to the grain they eat". B12 is found in much higher amounts in pasture-raised animals, such as 100% grass-fed beef, and is also much more bioavailable. Also, sufficiently healthy gut flora will produce B12, but I'd be shocked to find a vegan with well-balanced gut flora. Anyone heard of GAPS? I'm sad about how bad the nutrition information is out there.
People have different diets.
People have different diets. So what, if one is inferior to the other, it shouldn't matter to you because it doesn't apply to you, and if you think the other side is ignorent, then keep quiet and let people "Drown" in their ignorance.Killing's killing, no matter if it's to the brainstem or from the vine. When a plant is cut from the vine, it is dying. It does not have a face. It cannot scream. It cannot express the enduring pain it is in. [b]Nonetheless, it is dying[/b]. So quit thinking either of you -- vegans and omnivores -- are holier than thou for some stupid reason. Eat what you want, and [i]fuck the rest.[/i] I didn't come here to see a wall of useless bitching by other commenters about the diet.Personally, I think more is at hand here than the mother's milk being deficient. Maybe one of you asswipes should do a stuidy sometime -- an [i]unbiased[/i] study, of pregnant vegan mothers who breastfeed vurses pregnant omnivorous mothers and carniverous mothers. I would like to see the result of that study [i]unmodified[/i] to account for your beliefs. But we can't even have that in this time and age where information is twisted, skewed and ruined beyond source recognition.
Well, you didn't exactly say
Well, you didn't exactly say it, but it sounds like you just really want more food freedom and better information. I'll salute those ideas. I'm all for finding the real answers-- unbiased and unadulterated. You got the right idea. In fact, I really am planning to do studies like the one you mentioned. I'm hoping people like you will donate to my foundation for this kind of research (I haven't formed it quite yet), since funding from special interests only makes for politically correct science.
He did manage to leave out a
He did manage to leave out a major part of the story. They baby died due to a pneumonia-related illness, that more than likely the B12 and A deficiency contributed to. Also, the refused to take the baby to the hospital as their doctor had advised during the 9 month check up when the doctor noticed she was losing weight and had broncitis. Instead treating him at home with cabbage and clay poulctises. As a mother my children's health always came first, no matter what my beliefs are.
WELL done mate you have hit
WELL done mate you have hit the nail on the head thereWHO CARES !someone below thinks vegans are higher evolved so for a laff im gonna have a think and reply to them with a smart answer to start a debate but to be honest i fink the best way to be is subjective my sisters vegetarian and i praise her for having strong beliefs but i could never deny myself a steak or a bacon sarny on princible that i drool wen i smell itkeep up the good atitude mate. every1 cud do wiv takin a leaf out of your book. BEFORE disliking some1, walk a mile in there shoes and if you still dont like them.......Your a mile ahead n youve got their shoes haha
I have no problem with
I have no problem with peoples' choices of food and diets. What I do have a problem with are people who become almost religious about it. Still, that too is their choice, and it is their right and their Constitutional right to share that with others. But, the basic premises of animal rights are nonsense. I believe in animal welfare, not animal rights. This means that we have a right to be good stewards over nature and the animals, and use them, and even KILL, BUTCHER, RAISE, FRY, BOIL BAKE and devour them for food. Animal rights is a disgusting nonsense that teaches that humans and animals are equals and animals have the same basic rights as humans. Thats ridiculous. I am also prejudiced: I believe cats and dogs need special protection as animals (not as humans) as opposed to Live Stock: Cows, Pigs, Horses, Fish, Birds, etc. Reptiles are unable to show love to humans. Eating meat is good for you. Ofcourse, we should eat things in moderation. But human diets need animal products in this world.
Most babies start reaching
Most babies start reaching for food they can see on your plate before six months. There are people who believe in postponing introducing solid foods, 11 months is quite extreme. so either the baby was prevented from eating solids or had something wrong with it that prevented it from eating solids. The lack of solid food is the problem not the composition of the breast mild.
Most babies start reaching
Most babies start reaching for food they can see on your plate before six months. There are people who believe in postponing introducing solid foods, 11 months is quite extreme. so either the baby was prevented from eating solids or had something wrong with it that prevented it from eating solids. The lack of solid food is the problem not the composition of the breast mild.
" The lack of solid food is
" The lack of solid food is the problem not the composition of the breast mild."Wrong.
I love how all the vegans
I love how all the vegans come out of the woodwork when somebody dares to say anything bad about veganism. Interestingly enough, that's a similar response that you see when someone points out bad things about any given religion.
Yes. Just as every other
Yes. Just as every other human being gets when someone attacks something they believe or like.
What happened to this child
What happened to this child is truly unfortunate however I cant believe that veganism would be the cause. An appearingly healthy woman who feeds her child her breastmilk is clearly trying to care for her child. There is more to this story than shown here. I would like to point out my quiet, deep, sadness and loud, angry condemnation that the average American household feeds their children pestisice and hormone poisend trash as food. I would like to see more people arrested for having obese children due to their lack of true care and consern for the childs mental and physical development. The damage is unmeasurable and will eventually lead to cancer, diabetes, heart problems, emotional distress aand even death in a majority of this uncared for children. We can point our fingers at the vegans but truly the vegans who are neglegent are more rare than the omnivores who are neglegent but since veganism is 'different ' it makes the headlines and the omnivores who are cramming their children full of fat and garbage can shake their heads and feel better than someone else.They will judge, blog and condem others as they poison thier own children. The people doing the most damage to children will never make the headlines because it is so prevelent and has become acceptable in our society.Everyday is a day is a day for quiet deep saddness.
OK OK I GET IT. BUT PEOPLE
OK OK I GET IT. BUT PEOPLE LISTEN TO YOURSELVES! THE FACT IS WHILE VEGANISM IS OK FOR ADULTS ITS NOT FOR YOUR CHILD. HEALTH CLASS IN 8TH GRADE SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU THAT! I FEEL FOR THE MOTHER SHE WAS PROBABLY JUST AS IGNORANT ABOUT WHAT A BABY NEEDS TO SUSTAIN LIFE AS MOST PEOPLE ARE VEGAN OR NOT! KEYWORD: BABY....NOT ADULT. IT DOESNT TAKE A ROCKET SCIENCE TO KNOW THAT BREASTMILK FROM VEGANS LACK THE NUTRIENTS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN A BABY! A BABY! A BABY! WHICH CANT TELL HIS MOM, GIVE ME SOME REAL MILK DAMNIT! FURTHERMORE, IT WAS NEGLECT! THE BABY SHOULD HAVE ALSO BEEN EATING SOLIDS. MAYBE THEN WHAT LACKED IN 'YOUR' BODY WOULD'VE HAVE COME FROM SOLIDS VEGAN OR NOT! DUH! NEGLECT IS NEGLECT NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT! FRANKLY COMMON SENSE SHOULD HAVE HAD A ROLE IN IT WHEN THE KID WASN'T GAINING WEIGHT!!!!!! RE-EDUCATION!!!!
Why in the world would
Why in the world would veganism be ok for adults if it isn't for kids? At what age or stage of development do our bodies grow three extra stomachs, our canines disappear and our brains shrink? If her milk was insufficient because she was vegan then that just goes to show that adults should also not be vegan. Breast is best, so why not eat to make breastfeeding even better?
Yes, neglect is the cause
Yes, neglect is the cause of death and extreme vegan ideology. The parents were clearly blinded by their beliefs in their diet and their infant suffered the consequences. Poor nutrition equals illness and death. The infant suffered horribly.
What you are forgetting is
What you are forgetting is that while there are more omnivores that are guilty of child neglect, there are also far more omnivores overall. So when a vegan parent effectively kills their own child by neglect, it stands out so much more because percentage wise there are very few vegans. Especially of the very strict persuasion.
Stop blaming Veganism. There
Stop blaming Veganism. There is nothing wrong with Veganism. The article is obviously a harassment agains the One True Diet. Vegans are higher on the ethic evolutionary ladder, and there are a lot of lesser people that are envious about this. Hence we see such obvious slander and lies as in the article.
Wow. You need to look harder
Wow. You need to look harder at the science. I'm not opposed to religion, but it is obvious the way you talk (and many other vegans) that the "One True Diet" is more about religious fanatacism than it is about health. Take some biochemistry classes and learn how to read and analyze scientific data, then you'll see the light.
Basically you are wrong.
Basically you are wrong. there is no "one true diet". And this isn't the first child to die from veganism. In fact, speaking of evolution, the reason there are populations on this planet that can survive childhood on a vegan diet is due to evolution. Namely the children unable to metabolise the nutrients missing in a vegan diet died and never reproduced. However, this extreme diet comes mostly from ahimsa in the eastern religions. How many MILLIONS of children from Idia have starved throughout history? And I don't think westerners want to kill off their babies to give evolution a chance to select for vegetarians. Simple fact of the matter, all humans need nutrients derived from animal products, or a synthetic supplement, ESPECIALLY children. Even Indian children do better. How moral is it to save a cow and kill your own child? What ethical or moral superiority is that?
Please allow me to pull your
Please allow me to pull your head out of your jaxy b4 you suffercate!Vegans are by no means higher evolved than any one else.You can live a perfectly healthy diet on plant based foods BUT, (and i bet EVEN YOU didnt know this haha) you can also thrive on a 100% animal based diet! Look at the escimoes, they cant grow vegatables in the snow but they get all there vitamins and nutrients from every part of the animals they catch,(brains,stomach,eyes). I personaly prefer a varied diet and belive that the human body is the most clever thing in the world, so i listen to mine when it dribbles over a bacon sandwich haha. BUT im not gonna tell you that is better than what your doing but i WILL tell you now, its that (YOUR) level of ignorance that killed that baby.Now lets properly knock you off your high horse, (or high broccily or whatever vegatable you see fit to ride).You wanna debate your evolutionary status to mine OK lets do it !I would kill ANY animal, including men (inhumanly if neccesary), in a heartbeat for my family with NO remorse. Now i dont mean only if they were starving, i mean if my mom said " i feel peckish kill that cow ", i would not hesitate. WOULD YOU ???I would personally TORCHER AND KILL every cow, sheep, dog, rat, badger and mouse on this planet just to save ONE baby/infants life.WOULD YOU ???If you said no to either of those questions, i am actualy higher evolved than you, heres why: Question one - This evaluates family loyalty/trust/relationship strength. If i am prepared to do more for my family than you, evolution dictates my family tree will survive, thus evolve at an advantage to yours.Question two - I hope you agree with me that paternal insticts are vital to evolution. If i will do more to protect a child than you then my VITAL ,paternal insticts are stronger than yours, Therfore giving me an irrafutable, evolutionary advantage.These are cold, hard facts NOT opinions if you said no to either of them, then by definition, i (the rudementary meat eater haha) am higher evolved than you.If you said yes than maybe were not so different after all and we can both learn from each other. Please for your own sake open your mind up abit !My sister has been a strict veggy since she was old enough to talk and neither of us has EVER once tried to convert the other, NOT EVEN a mention of it, because we were raised to believe we are all entitled to our own opinion as long as its not hurting anyone(any human that is)REMEMBER THIS: At one point we ALL knew nothink and NOBODY knows everythink.It dont matter what you eat, do, live, wear or sing just listen to your mind, body and soul and if it gives you a warning signal LISTEN to it !i will say in advance before anyone rips the pi$$ out of me, I KNOW my spelling is aporling hahaha, aporling i bet thats even spelt rong (hows that for irony) but i got expelled from school at the start of year 10 for chongin weed and i bet i know alot for my age (22) so i genuinly dont care about my spelling, to the point were i have not botherd to learn so any insults in that arena will fall on deaf ears hahacor 9:22 "Be all things to all men"
Ok, as a fellow omnivore,
Ok, as a fellow omnivore, can I ask you to not sound so extreme? I think you could have made your point without mentioning torture. If you're getting a healthy dose of animal foods, you have the capability to reason better than this. I like your overall point, but please don't make omnivores look bad. Another part of human survival has to do with relationships with other humans, so don't forget to consider that in your comments. I will add to your comment in saying this: not long ago it was common medical knowledge that Eskimos (largely carnivorous) did not get cancer. It was just unheard of for them to get it-- that is until they started eating our modern, processed foods. Plant foods have obvious health benefits, but meat is 100 times more nutrient dense than plant foods and organ meats are 100 times more nutrient dense than muscle meats. Most modern omnivores are deficient, but it isn't because they eat animal products. Its all about the way our food is grown, raised and processed as well as how we prepare our foods. How many Americans do you know eat liver regularly? Pastured poultry or eggs? Raw milk? Not a lot, but the ones that do are the healthiest by far. Also, diets rich in the properly raised animal foods create the best fertility and the most healthy babies. Now that is proof enough that vegans are not superbly evolved.
Please allow me to pull your
Please allow me to pull your head out of your jaxy b4 you suffercate!Vegans are by no means higher evolved than any one else.You can live a perfectly healthy diet on plant based foods BUT, (and i bet EVEN YOU didnt know this haha) you can also thrive on a 100% animal based diet! Look at the escimoes, they cant grow vegatables in the snow but they get all there vitamins and nutrients from every part of the animals they catch,(brains,stomach,eyes). I personaly prefer a varied diet and belive that the human body is the most clever thing in the world, so i listen to mine when it dribbles over a bacon sandwich haha. BUT im not gonna tell you that is better than what your doing but i WILL tell you now, its that (YOUR) level of ignorance that killed that baby.Now lets properly knock you off your high horse, (or high broccily or whatever vegatable you see fit to ride).You wanna debate your evolutionary status to mine OK lets do it !I would kill ANY animal, including men (inhumanly if neccesary), in a heartbeat for my family with NO remorse. Now i dont mean only if they were starving, i mean if my mom said " i feel peckish kill that cow ", i would not hesitate. WOULD YOU ???I would personally TORCHER AND KILL every cow, sheep, dog, rat, badger and mouse on this planet just to save ONE baby/infants life.WOULD YOU ???If you said no to either of those questions, i am actualy higher evolved than you, heres why: Question one - This evaluates family loyalty/trust/relationship strength. If i am prepared to do more for my family than you, evolution dictates my family tree will survive, thus evolve at an advantage to yours.Question two - I hope you agree with me that paternal insticts are vital to evolution. If i will do more to protect a child than you then my VITAL ,paternal insticts are stronger than yours, Therfore giving me an irrafutable, evolutionary advantage.These are cold, hard facts NOT opinions if you said no to either of them, then by definition, i (the rudementary meat eater haha) am higher evolved than you.If you said yes than maybe were not so different after all and we can both learn from each other. Please for your own sake open your mind up abit !My sister has been a strict veggy since she was old enough to talk and neither of us has EVER once tried to convert the other, NOT EVEN a mention of it, because we were raised to believe we are all entitled to our own opinion as long as its not hurting anyone(any human that is)REMEMBER THIS: At one point we ALL knew nothink and NOBODY knows everythink.It dont matter what you eat, do, live, wear or sing just listen to your mind, body and soul and if it gives you a warning signal LISTEN to it !i will say in advance before anyone rips the pi$$ out of me, I KNOW my spelling is aporling hahaha, aporling i bet thats even spelt rong (hows that for irony) but i got expelled from school at the start of year 10 for chongin weed and i bet i know alot for my age (22) so i genuinly dont care about my spelling, to the point were i have not botherd to learn so any insults in that arena will fall on deaf ears hahacor 9:22 "Be all things to all men"
OBSESSED
OBSESSED OMNIVORES STARVED BABY---OBSESSED OMNIVORE COUPLE STARVED THEIR BABY:A couple left their baby daughter to starve to death at home while playing an Internet game which simulated child-rearing, police said Friday. The man aged 41 and his 25-year-old wife were arrested Thursday, five months after they reported the death of their three-month-old baby, a police investigator told AFP.The father met his wife in 2008 through the Internet. They had been on the run since their baby died."They were formally arrested yesterday," the investigator said, declining to give details. The couple were not vegans, the couple in this incident that starved their baby and were arrested by police were MEAT-EATERS.### Note - Please be sure to spread the word about this Paleolithic "Caveman Diet" blog here which first set out to publicize a vegan incident but in the end turns out to show that for every vegan incident there are tens, if not hundreds and thousands of baby infants killed by omnivores hunters neanderthal caveman dieters and meat based diet parents each year. --- Be SURE to credit "John Durant" with being the source of a blog advocating that people adopt the Behavior of a neanderthal, and a Caveman mentality life style. The results of parenting and making choices and acting like a paleolithic Cro Magnon in life are now visible, as all readers can now see the effect of a paleo meat-based Omnivore diet: Over 300000 infant babies sickened in critical condition, and whopping volumes more baby deaths due to paleolithic hunter-gatherer and/or omnivores than this 1 or handful of vegan incidents. This is not even counting yet, the number of LEAD POISONING incidents of people and children due to "Hunter" Gatherers who feed game to themselves or their child which has been contaminated by hunting with LEAD shot and thus the killed game is akin to feeding ones child pieces of Lead Paint chips. Nevertheless, thanks to this blog, it now reveals Documented legal cases and prosecutions of meat-eating omnivores as parents dominate in huge volumes of numbers implicated in tens if not hundreds and thousands of baby deaths.
Ok, just because those
Ok, just because those stupid parents were omnivores certainly does not mean they had the same diet as the hunter-gatherer (from whom you evolved). The Paleo lifestyle promotes a minimalist approach to technology, so you are putting two totally different things in the same category. Also, for every vegan there are thousands of non-vegans, so obviously there will be more reports of abuse and neglect in non-vegan households-- that's just statistics. That's just like when the FDA or USDA try to say that raw milk is "inherently dangerous" when a few people supposedly get sick from raw milk-- even though according to CDC statistics a person is 22,000 times more likely to get sick from any other food than they are from raw milk (that IS taking into account that only a small percent of Americans drink raw milk). If you did more research, you'd understand why the vegan diet is under attack-- it isn't healthy. However, can I just say that I think the prosecution of these obviously well-intentioned parents is a much worse crime than passionately believing misguided information.