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Vegan baby dies because mother's milk was vitamin deficient
Two vegans who fed their 11-month-old daughter only mother's milk went on trial in northern France on Tuesday charged with neglect after their baby died suffering from vitamin deficiency.
Sergine and Joel Le Moaligou, whose vegan diet forbids consuming any animal product including eggs and cow's milk, called the emergency services in March 2008 after becoming worried about their baby Louise's listlessness.
When the ambulance arrived at their home in Saint-Maulvis, a small village 150 kilometres (90 miles) north of Paris, the baby was already dead.
The ambulance workers called the police because the child was pale and thin, weighing 5.7 kilos (12.5 pounds) compared to an average eight kilos for her age.
The baby had only been fed on the milk of her mother, who was aged 37 at the time.
An autopsy showed that Louise was suffering from a vitamin A and B12 deficiency which experts say increases a child's sensitivity to infection and can be due to an unbalanced diet.
"The problem of vitamin B12 deficiency could be linked to the mother's diet," said Anne-Laure Sandretto, deputy prosecutor in the city of Amiens where the trial is taking place.
The couple has been charged with "neglect or food deprivation followed by death" and face up to 30 years in prison if convicted.
I hardly have the heart to comment. Unlike some vegan baby deaths, who were fed soy milk, this baby was breast-fed. I can't even imagine the trauma of being a woman and mother, and for your own breast milk to be as poison to your child. My emotions are alternating between a quiet, deep sadness and a loud, angry condemnation.
I think today is a day for quiet, deep sadness.

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mothers milk is important
mothers milk is important compare to forumula check out how to breast feed
The science behind B12 is
The science behind B12 is well documented. It is only in meat products because farmers add it to the grain they eat. Mothers can store B12 without passing it to the baby, but only after 6 months. All babies need only breastmilk till 6 months of life. Then they need additional nutrition from foods, it's called weaning. B12 is a common problem as found in fewer foods than thought. This couple gave only breastmilk till almost a year of age, no health practitioner would recommend that. The problem here is not the diet but lack of diet for the child.
People have different diets.
People have different diets. So what, if one is inferior to the other, it shouldn't matter to you because it doesn't apply to you, and if you think the other side is ignorent, then keep quiet and let people "Drown" in their ignorance.Killing's killing, no matter if it's to the brainstem or from the vine. When a plant is cut from the vine, it is dying. It does not have a face. It cannot scream. It cannot express the enduring pain it is in. [b]Nonetheless, it is dying[/b]. So quit thinking either of you -- vegans and omnivores -- are holier than thou for some stupid reason. Eat what you want, and [i]fuck the rest.[/i] I didn't come here to see a wall of useless bitching by other commenters about the diet.Personally, I think more is at hand here than the mother's milk being deficient. Maybe one of you asswipes should do a stuidy sometime -- an [i]unbiased[/i] study, of pregnant vegan mothers who breastfeed vurses pregnant omnivorous mothers and carniverous mothers. I would like to see the result of that study [i]unmodified[/i] to account for your beliefs. But we can't even have that in this time and age where information is twisted, skewed and ruined beyond source recognition.
He did manage to leave out a
He did manage to leave out a major part of the story. They baby died due to a pneumonia-related illness, that more than likely the B12 and A deficiency contributed to. Also, the refused to take the baby to the hospital as their doctor had advised during the 9 month check up when the doctor noticed she was losing weight and had broncitis. Instead treating him at home with cabbage and clay poulctises. As a mother my children's health always came first, no matter what my beliefs are.
WELL done mate you have hit
WELL done mate you have hit the nail on the head thereWHO CARES !someone below thinks vegans are higher evolved so for a laff im gonna have a think and reply to them with a smart answer to start a debate but to be honest i fink the best way to be is subjective my sisters vegetarian and i praise her for having strong beliefs but i could never deny myself a steak or a bacon sarny on princible that i drool wen i smell itkeep up the good atitude mate. every1 cud do wiv takin a leaf out of your book. BEFORE disliking some1, walk a mile in there shoes and if you still dont like them.......Your a mile ahead n youve got their shoes haha
I have no problem with
I have no problem with peoples' choices of food and diets. What I do have a problem with are people who become almost religious about it. Still, that too is their choice, and it is their right and their Constitutional right to share that with others. But, the basic premises of animal rights are nonsense. I believe in animal welfare, not animal rights. This means that we have a right to be good stewards over nature and the animals, and use them, and even KILL, BUTCHER, RAISE, FRY, BOIL BAKE and devour them for food. Animal rights is a disgusting nonsense that teaches that humans and animals are equals and animals have the same basic rights as humans. Thats ridiculous. I am also prejudiced: I believe cats and dogs need special protection as animals (not as humans) as opposed to Live Stock: Cows, Pigs, Horses, Fish, Birds, etc. Reptiles are unable to show love to humans. Eating meat is good for you. Ofcourse, we should eat things in moderation. But human diets need animal products in this world.
Most babies start reaching
Most babies start reaching for food they can see on your plate before six months. There are people who believe in postponing introducing solid foods, 11 months is quite extreme. so either the baby was prevented from eating solids or had something wrong with it that prevented it from eating solids. The lack of solid food is the problem not the composition of the breast mild.
Most babies start reaching
Most babies start reaching for food they can see on your plate before six months. There are people who believe in postponing introducing solid foods, 11 months is quite extreme. so either the baby was prevented from eating solids or had something wrong with it that prevented it from eating solids. The lack of solid food is the problem not the composition of the breast mild.
" The lack of solid food is
" The lack of solid food is the problem not the composition of the breast mild."Wrong.
I love how all the vegans
I love how all the vegans come out of the woodwork when somebody dares to say anything bad about veganism. Interestingly enough, that's a similar response that you see when someone points out bad things about any given religion.
Yes. Just as every other
Yes. Just as every other human being gets when someone attacks something they believe or like.
What happened to this child
What happened to this child is truly unfortunate however I cant believe that veganism would be the cause. An appearingly healthy woman who feeds her child her breastmilk is clearly trying to care for her child. There is more to this story than shown here. I would like to point out my quiet, deep, sadness and loud, angry condemnation that the average American household feeds their children pestisice and hormone poisend trash as food. I would like to see more people arrested for having obese children due to their lack of true care and consern for the childs mental and physical development. The damage is unmeasurable and will eventually lead to cancer, diabetes, heart problems, emotional distress aand even death in a majority of this uncared for children. We can point our fingers at the vegans but truly the vegans who are neglegent are more rare than the omnivores who are neglegent but since veganism is 'different ' it makes the headlines and the omnivores who are cramming their children full of fat and garbage can shake their heads and feel better than someone else.They will judge, blog and condem others as they poison thier own children. The people doing the most damage to children will never make the headlines because it is so prevelent and has become acceptable in our society.Everyday is a day is a day for quiet deep saddness.
OK OK I GET IT. BUT PEOPLE
OK OK I GET IT. BUT PEOPLE LISTEN TO YOURSELVES! THE FACT IS WHILE VEGANISM IS OK FOR ADULTS ITS NOT FOR YOUR CHILD. HEALTH CLASS IN 8TH GRADE SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU THAT! I FEEL FOR THE MOTHER SHE WAS PROBABLY JUST AS IGNORANT ABOUT WHAT A BABY NEEDS TO SUSTAIN LIFE AS MOST PEOPLE ARE VEGAN OR NOT! KEYWORD: BABY....NOT ADULT. IT DOESNT TAKE A ROCKET SCIENCE TO KNOW THAT BREASTMILK FROM VEGANS LACK THE NUTRIENTS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN A BABY! A BABY! A BABY! WHICH CANT TELL HIS MOM, GIVE ME SOME REAL MILK DAMNIT! FURTHERMORE, IT WAS NEGLECT! THE BABY SHOULD HAVE ALSO BEEN EATING SOLIDS. MAYBE THEN WHAT LACKED IN 'YOUR' BODY WOULD'VE HAVE COME FROM SOLIDS VEGAN OR NOT! DUH! NEGLECT IS NEGLECT NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT! FRANKLY COMMON SENSE SHOULD HAVE HAD A ROLE IN IT WHEN THE KID WASN'T GAINING WEIGHT!!!!!! RE-EDUCATION!!!!
What you are forgetting is
What you are forgetting is that while there are more omnivores that are guilty of child neglect, there are also far more omnivores overall. So when a vegan parent effectively kills their own child by neglect, it stands out so much more because percentage wise there are very few vegans. Especially of the very strict persuasion.
Stop blaming Veganism. There
Stop blaming Veganism. There is nothing wrong with Veganism. The article is obviously a harassment agains the One True Diet. Vegans are higher on the ethic evolutionary ladder, and there are a lot of lesser people that are envious about this. Hence we see such obvious slander and lies as in the article.
Basically you are wrong.
Basically you are wrong. there is no "one true diet". And this isn't the first child to die from veganism. In fact, speaking of evolution, the reason there are populations on this planet that can survive childhood on a vegan diet is due to evolution. Namely the children unable to metabolise the nutrients missing in a vegan diet died and never reproduced. However, this extreme diet comes mostly from ahimsa in the eastern religions. How many MILLIONS of children from Idia have starved throughout history? And I don't think westerners want to kill off their babies to give evolution a chance to select for vegetarians. Simple fact of the matter, all humans need nutrients derived from animal products, or a synthetic supplement, ESPECIALLY children. Even Indian children do better. How moral is it to save a cow and kill your own child? What ethical or moral superiority is that?
Please allow me to pull your
Please allow me to pull your head out of your jaxy b4 you suffercate!Vegans are by no means higher evolved than any one else.You can live a perfectly healthy diet on plant based foods BUT, (and i bet EVEN YOU didnt know this haha) you can also thrive on a 100% animal based diet! Look at the escimoes, they cant grow vegatables in the snow but they get all there vitamins and nutrients from every part of the animals they catch,(brains,stomach,eyes). I personaly prefer a varied diet and belive that the human body is the most clever thing in the world, so i listen to mine when it dribbles over a bacon sandwich haha. BUT im not gonna tell you that is better than what your doing but i WILL tell you now, its that (YOUR) level of ignorance that killed that baby.Now lets properly knock you off your high horse, (or high broccily or whatever vegatable you see fit to ride).You wanna debate your evolutionary status to mine OK lets do it !I would kill ANY animal, including men (inhumanly if neccesary), in a heartbeat for my family with NO remorse. Now i dont mean only if they were starving, i mean if my mom said " i feel peckish kill that cow ", i would not hesitate. WOULD YOU ???I would personally TORCHER AND KILL every cow, sheep, dog, rat, badger and mouse on this planet just to save ONE baby/infants life.WOULD YOU ???If you said no to either of those questions, i am actualy higher evolved than you, heres why: Question one - This evaluates family loyalty/trust/relationship strength. If i am prepared to do more for my family than you, evolution dictates my family tree will survive, thus evolve at an advantage to yours.Question two - I hope you agree with me that paternal insticts are vital to evolution. If i will do more to protect a child than you then my VITAL ,paternal insticts are stronger than yours, Therfore giving me an irrafutable, evolutionary advantage.These are cold, hard facts NOT opinions if you said no to either of them, then by definition, i (the rudementary meat eater haha) am higher evolved than you.If you said yes than maybe were not so different after all and we can both learn from each other. Please for your own sake open your mind up abit !My sister has been a strict veggy since she was old enough to talk and neither of us has EVER once tried to convert the other, NOT EVEN a mention of it, because we were raised to believe we are all entitled to our own opinion as long as its not hurting anyone(any human that is)REMEMBER THIS: At one point we ALL knew nothink and NOBODY knows everythink.It dont matter what you eat, do, live, wear or sing just listen to your mind, body and soul and if it gives you a warning signal LISTEN to it !i will say in advance before anyone rips the pi$$ out of me, I KNOW my spelling is aporling hahaha, aporling i bet thats even spelt rong (hows that for irony) but i got expelled from school at the start of year 10 for chongin weed and i bet i know alot for my age (22) so i genuinly dont care about my spelling, to the point were i have not botherd to learn so any insults in that arena will fall on deaf ears hahacor 9:22 "Be all things to all men"
Please allow me to pull your
Please allow me to pull your head out of your jaxy b4 you suffercate!Vegans are by no means higher evolved than any one else.You can live a perfectly healthy diet on plant based foods BUT, (and i bet EVEN YOU didnt know this haha) you can also thrive on a 100% animal based diet! Look at the escimoes, they cant grow vegatables in the snow but they get all there vitamins and nutrients from every part of the animals they catch,(brains,stomach,eyes). I personaly prefer a varied diet and belive that the human body is the most clever thing in the world, so i listen to mine when it dribbles over a bacon sandwich haha. BUT im not gonna tell you that is better than what your doing but i WILL tell you now, its that (YOUR) level of ignorance that killed that baby.Now lets properly knock you off your high horse, (or high broccily or whatever vegatable you see fit to ride).You wanna debate your evolutionary status to mine OK lets do it !I would kill ANY animal, including men (inhumanly if neccesary), in a heartbeat for my family with NO remorse. Now i dont mean only if they were starving, i mean if my mom said " i feel peckish kill that cow ", i would not hesitate. WOULD YOU ???I would personally TORCHER AND KILL every cow, sheep, dog, rat, badger and mouse on this planet just to save ONE baby/infants life.WOULD YOU ???If you said no to either of those questions, i am actualy higher evolved than you, heres why: Question one - This evaluates family loyalty/trust/relationship strength. If i am prepared to do more for my family than you, evolution dictates my family tree will survive, thus evolve at an advantage to yours.Question two - I hope you agree with me that paternal insticts are vital to evolution. If i will do more to protect a child than you then my VITAL ,paternal insticts are stronger than yours, Therfore giving me an irrafutable, evolutionary advantage.These are cold, hard facts NOT opinions if you said no to either of them, then by definition, i (the rudementary meat eater haha) am higher evolved than you.If you said yes than maybe were not so different after all and we can both learn from each other. Please for your own sake open your mind up abit !My sister has been a strict veggy since she was old enough to talk and neither of us has EVER once tried to convert the other, NOT EVEN a mention of it, because we were raised to believe we are all entitled to our own opinion as long as its not hurting anyone(any human that is)REMEMBER THIS: At one point we ALL knew nothink and NOBODY knows everythink.It dont matter what you eat, do, live, wear or sing just listen to your mind, body and soul and if it gives you a warning signal LISTEN to it !i will say in advance before anyone rips the pi$$ out of me, I KNOW my spelling is aporling hahaha, aporling i bet thats even spelt rong (hows that for irony) but i got expelled from school at the start of year 10 for chongin weed and i bet i know alot for my age (22) so i genuinly dont care about my spelling, to the point were i have not botherd to learn so any insults in that arena will fall on deaf ears hahacor 9:22 "Be all things to all men"
OBSESSED
OBSESSED OMNIVORES STARVED BABY---OBSESSED OMNIVORE COUPLE STARVED THEIR BABY:A couple left their baby daughter to starve to death at home while playing an Internet game which simulated child-rearing, police said Friday. The man aged 41 and his 25-year-old wife were arrested Thursday, five months after they reported the death of their three-month-old baby, a police investigator told AFP.The father met his wife in 2008 through the Internet. They had been on the run since their baby died."They were formally arrested yesterday," the investigator said, declining to give details. The couple were not vegans, the couple in this incident that starved their baby and were arrested by police were MEAT-EATERS.### Note - Please be sure to spread the word about this Paleolithic "Caveman Diet" blog here which first set out to publicize a vegan incident but in the end turns out to show that for every vegan incident there are tens, if not hundreds and thousands of baby infants killed by omnivores hunters neanderthal caveman dieters and meat based diet parents each year. --- Be SURE to credit "John Durant" with being the source of a blog advocating that people adopt the Behavior of a neanderthal, and a Caveman mentality life style. The results of parenting and making choices and acting like a paleolithic Cro Magnon in life are now visible, as all readers can now see the effect of a paleo meat-based Omnivore diet: Over 300000 infant babies sickened in critical condition, and whopping volumes more baby deaths due to paleolithic hunter-gatherer and/or omnivores than this 1 or handful of vegan incidents. This is not even counting yet, the number of LEAD POISONING incidents of people and children due to "Hunter" Gatherers who feed game to themselves or their child which has been contaminated by hunting with LEAD shot and thus the killed game is akin to feeding ones child pieces of Lead Paint chips. Nevertheless, thanks to this blog, it now reveals Documented legal cases and prosecutions of meat-eating omnivores as parents dominate in huge volumes of numbers implicated in tens if not hundreds and thousands of baby deaths.
Dude. You are totally
Dude. You are totally missing the point. These people weren't distracted because they were out all night searching for their next soy burger. They actually lacked the nutrients necessary to sustain life. The point is that a human cannot thrive, and in this case survive, on a vegan diet.
Yes, he is missing the point.
Yes, he is missing the point. No, you are not unable to "thrive" on a vegan diet. I've been vegan for quite a while now and I ASSURE there has never been a time in my life when I've felt better with my body and with myself. Babies can and have survived and thrived while being on a vegan diet. Lots of people are vegan and are quite outstanding, and I'm not talking about this so called stars like Alicia Silverstone and Pamela Anderson. People like Einstein, Gaudí, Diogenes, Ghandi, Kafka, Plato, Plutarch, Queen Sophie, Pithagoras, Emerson, Tolstoy, Da Vinci (presumably), Isaac Newton, Socrathes, Edison were all vegetarian or vegans. Most of them lived in countries where neither the use of milk and even eggs was not popular. And I cannot honestly think of people more "thriving", given that most of the things you say, eat, do, read or see are here thanks to them. If you require "newer" personalities, athletes such as: Salim Stoudamire, Scott Jurek, Pat Neshek and Fiona Oakes are all all vegans. Not vegetarian, but vegan. The list of actors, singers and musicians vegan is endless but Paul McCrtney, Vanessa Williams, Olivia Wilden and Oliver Stykes are some of my personal favourites, and I think they excell and what they do, more so than some eat-meaters. Please check your facts before typing.
That doesn't change the fact
That doesn't change the fact that we are fundamentally not biologically equipped to survive on a vegan diet without extensive supplementation of vital nutrients. Anybody that thinks otherwise are just kidding themselves.
Well, then name a nutrient,
Well, then name a nutrient, and I tell you, ANY nutrient you name, if necessary for human health, can be found in a fruit or vegetable. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding theirselves.In fact, I can tell you, your body is not equipped to deal with the monstrous ammounts of meat you eat every day.My vegan diet - supplemented to me by my doctor, who has a degree in medicine and several masters in different kinds of nutrition - is not "extensive". In fact, the largest ammount of food revommended to me is that one of wednesdays - a veggie hamburger with two cups of brocoli, two tomatoes and 500 ml of water.I believe that's not much more than what you normally have for lunch, with your meat and all.
Really, There is NO vitamin D
Really, There is NO vitamin D in plants, there is NO taurine in plants, There is NO absorbed b12 in plants, there is only DHA/EPA in some seaweeds not in land based plants. There is hardly any iodine in plants depending on there location. Non-heme iron is less absorbed then heme iron exept with the help of vitamin C. Calcium is less absorbed coming from plants. Also soy, coffee and other plant products are well known to block the absorbtion of some micro-nutrients. There is hardly any Methionine and Lysine in plant food. The same with selenium depending on the soil content. There are a lot of micro-nutrients are linked together, missing one will lead to more problems with another.Don't get fooled by people who never produce any scientific proof of what they are saying.
Sure. B12. Good luck getting
Sure. B12. Good luck getting that from a plant source.
Brewer's yeast
Brewer's yeast
Brewer's yeast
Brewer's yeast
B12?Nuts have it. Cereals
B12?Nuts have it. Cereals have it. Soy milk has it. Cooking your food with margarine also helps tp the formation of b12 (just found out!). And of course, avocado.By the way, B12 is found in microorganisms that grow in earth, water and in the intestins - reason why is it so easy to find in animals. What I'm trying to say is that b12 is a dirty vitamin, it grows in dirt. That's why is it so hard to find B12 in vegetables this days, we just clean them too much (I am not, by any means, implying that we should not). That is the reason why most vegetarian animals do not need to extract them from animals sources, they eat raw vegetables, just as they find it, with mud and dirt. That is also the reason why humans - before eating meat - did not lack it.
Ok, now you're just making
Ok, now you're just making stuff up. B12 is ONLY found in animal-based foods. Please do your research. Saying it's in cereals and soy milk shows you're clearly missing the point as in cereals and soy milk it is ADDED. B12 in animals that don't consume meat is produced by the sizable amounts of bacteria in their guts or by eating their own fecal matter. You see rabbits do that for instance. We, as humans, don't have the same kind of digestive systems. The kind of B12 they add to foods, including grains, cereals, milk, etc etc, is derived from bacteria. Grown artificially, in other words. Another nutrient is vitamin D. No really good plant sources and most the stuff that you buy as a supplement or that is used to supplement foods with like milk, is derived from wool fat that is processed to produce cholecalciferol. The only plant source requires extensive processing and is not something you can just buy at the grocery store and then cook yourself. And just for the record, we've been eating meat for as long as we've been humans and our predecessors ate meat too. Even our current cousins, the chimpanzees ingest a sizable amount of animal protein on a daily basis. Yes, this even goes for the Bonobos.
Making stuff up? Of course
Making stuff up? Of course I'm not.When I say B12 is a dirty vitamin, I mean that the bacteria that produces it is found in dirt. This kind of bacteria can be found in unclean water, in dirt, and in the intestines and anuses of some animals. Therefore, B12 could be found in plants because they were unwashed, and that's the way people ate them (or poorly washed them). As a consequence, B12 deficiency had never been a real problem. But now, our fruits and vegetables are to clean, therefore, the soil does not stick to the food, whereas meat has it because animals do eat the soil.I had just found out about the margarin thing (by the way, this is my source: http://www.ehow.com/facts_4793819_vitamin-b-vegetables.html and http://www.diethealthclub.com/food-source-for-essential-vitamins/vitamin... )Even though I cannot find more than two sources of B12 on avocadoes (which is sad, because I am so sure of it) I have found a page which claims (please note that I'm not sure about this) that there are algae and species which posess B12 (http://www.wholefoodcatalog.info/nutrient/vitamin_b12%28cyanocobalamin%2...). Must pages, however, do defend the idea of B12 in fermented vegetal butter - which is, by the way, the more comercial one - and nuts. Most of the places I visited are vegan or vgetarian, though, so they may be biased.I'll agree to disagree in the fact that humans have eaten meat for as long as they (us) have been human, for not only is it a controversial topic, it's yet to be defined. There are still people who claim (and do a good show of it) that we were created by god and were originaly born as Adan and Ev) and there are people who will assure you that we were given intelligence by UFO's. What it IS true is that our closest famiy are apes, who are vegetarian. I'll agree with you on soy milk.PS: I have to go, so if you answer, know that I don't stop answering because I don't want to.
The absorbtion of the B12
The absorbtion of the B12 vitamin is not possible in humans because it is extracted in our small intestines and a little in our colon. Opposed to herbivores animals where the extraction is done in there rummen or in there stomach with the help of a special enzyme. The fact there is or not B12 on plants doesn't count as humans cannot absorb it.Blogs are not considered as medical proof exept if they produce scientific references.Even in 3 world countries with there poor hygiene there has never been any healthy vegan community with enough B12. They are all vegetarians. Now if you advocate eating your own crap to get your B12 be my guest, great apes do it.
If we can't absorb it, how
If we can't absorb it, how would we get it from meat?
If we can't absorb it, how
If we can't absorb it, how would we get it from meat?
wow. lol at all of this.
wow. lol at all of this.
So what? Hitler was a
So what? Hitler was a vegetarian too.
Yes, and he was a bloody
Yes, and he was a bloody genius. A cruel one, mind you, I'm not saying he was a good guy. He did aweful things, but that doesn't take away the fact that he was smart . We are not discussing the values of vegetarian people, we are discussing wether they are able to thrive in a vegan diet.
McCrtney? Socrathes? Please
McCrtney? Socrathes? Please check your spelling before posting.
Also?
Einstein was not a vegetarian during the most productive years of his life. Rather, it appears from his writings that he was a proponent of vegetarianism for some uncertain number of years but only practiced it himself for the last year of his life.
"Although I have been prevented by outward circumstances from observing a strictly vegetarian diet, I have long been an adherent to the cause in principle. Besides agreeing with the aims of vegetarianism for aesthetic and moral reasons, it is my view that a vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind." Translation of letter to Hermann Huth, December 27, 1930. Einstein Archive 46-756
Please recheck your facts before typing.
Einstein is just one of the
Einstein is just one of the many people I mentioned, so I still don't see your point. A for the mistakes, they're typos, everyone makes it, despite of your sudden need of perfection, and I will remain making them. I'm sorry, but I'm not about to check thoroughly my writing.As for my facts, I'll checked them alright. However, it still doesn't change the facts. There are thousands of vegan and vegetarian people around the world. We live happily, and - forgive me if I dare to say so, I'm generalizing and assuming we all live the way I and my friends do - healthy.We thrive in our life style, we feel better with ourselves and enjoy and cherish every meal. And, unlike most people, we actually know what's in our food, because we took the time to investigate.And I don't check my typing. And I may have bad grammar. So? Sue me, English is my second language and I'm not interested enough to second check every single thing I write.
You are completely missing
You are completely missing the point of the entire discussion. Vegans can indeed thrive and live a perfectly healthy lifestyle. What this story is demonstrating is that if a vegan mother is going to breastfeed, she needs to be especially careful about keeping up her intake of essential vitamins in order for her child to thrive. These nutrients are far more important to a developing infant than an adult and deficiency can indeed kill a newborn child. Therefore a vegan mother must take more care than a non-vegan mother (whose intake of these vitamins, particularly A and B12, will be at higher levels) lest she inadvertently cause harm to her child.THAT is the point. It isn't a war between vegan parents and non-vegan parents who neglect their children.
Yet Another French Omnivore
Yet Another French Omnivore Kills---NEWS: ANOTHER FRENCH OMNIVORE KILLS 3 OF HER NEWBORNS:"The case in Villiers-au-Tertre is only the most recent example of a father of slain babies being apparently unaware of his wife's pregnancies. Four other such cases since 2003 include that of Véronique Courjault, 42, (a meat eating omnivore) who was convicted in June 2009 of killing three of her newborns — two of whom she hid in a freezer" Yet another meat-eater parent has killed 3 newborns. She put them in the freezer with the other food.Put "Véronique Courjault killed 3 newborns" into GOOGLE to see for yourself.The terrible story of this meat-eater putting her dead babies in with her other food in her freezer is yet another instance of infant deaths as a result of omnivores. It was showcased in TIME MAGAZINE.
MEATEATER KILLS 8 BABIES-MEAT
MEATEATER KILLS 8 BABIES-MEAT EATER KILLS 8 OF HER OWN BABIESNEWS: "The discovery on Wednesday of 8 infants allegedly smothered to death and buried by their mother in northern France.""It's the fifth instance of multiple infanticide..This latest case of newborn murder in France was uncovered in the northern town of Villiers-au-Tertre, after eight tiny bodies were found buried in the gardens of two separate homes. 6 of the baby cadavers were unearthed on July 29 by police at the house of Dominique Cottrez, 45, (a meat eater) , and her husband Pierre-Marie, 47 (also an omnivore). "Investigators searched their home after the resident of a house previously owned by Dominique's parents turned up two tiny bodies on July 24 while digging a pool in the backyard."Endnote:ADD 8 MORE TO THE NUMBER OF BABIES KILLED BY NON-VEGANS. THIS 1 MEAT-EATER KILLED 8 BABIES.GOOGLE: "French Mother confesses to 8 baby murders" to see the News Article.
MEAT KILLS 4-BABIESNews
MEAT KILLS 4-BABIESNews Bulletin: "Four more children dead from eating meat"DATELINE: USANews: "Four more children lay dead from hemolytic uremic syndrome from eating Hamburgers" Meat is known to contain verotoxin and "EHEC" (Enterohemorrhagic E. coli). Eating a diet of such meat causes severe oliguria, hematuria, microangiopathic hemolytic animia, and in some patients prominent nurologic changes.in other words...Despite attempts to blame B12 or plant-based diets for neurological problems, meat diets which have meat containing EHEC contains much more dangerous toxin levels that can cause brain damage. Eaters of such meat may develop abnormal brain damage.And scientific testing confirms that despite claims of plant diets causing anemia, it is meat-based diets wherein eating such meat can result in anemia. Omnivore meat-diets can cause ANEMIA.Meat-based diets have been found the culprit in the cause of HEMOLYTIC UREMIC SYNDROME baby deaths.Meat-eating parents, believing meat to be nutritious, fed their children meat, and 100% beef, and hamburgers, as a result, 4 babies lay dead.OMNIVORE PARENTS HAVE KILLED 4 MORE CHILDREN. Meat-based diets have resulted in 4 more infant deaths, and sickened 600 more babies, from hemolytic uremic syndrome from eating meat.The "carnivore" parents who killed this latest round of their own children gave their children hamburgers which were "100% beef". The verotoxin in the meat resulted in over 600 people hospitalized or sick, and left 4 babies dead.To obtain the info on this, put "MEAT 4 CHILDREN DIED of hemolytic uremic syndrome" into GOOGLE...and you can read for yourself how omnivore parents feeding their child beef lead to the deaths of 4 children from eating meat.ADD 4 MORE CHILD DEATHS, AND 600 SICKENED TO THE OMNIVORE DIET CHILD-DEATH TOTAL.__Note to all users: This blog site "Hunter-Gatherer" about Paleo diets, ironically, can now be used as an example of the evidence AGAINST meat-based diets, and paleo diets. In other words, visitors who are drawn here thinking that this blog article shows yet more evidence 'against' vegan, vegetarian, or plant based diets, will now see the News that this 1 vegan event, and even citing several more, is actually rather rare, and are absolutely dwarfed by the 300,000 and more cases of baby sickenings and deaths from paleo primal omnivore and MEAT based omnivore diets.Indeed, the more a meat based diet advocate expounds their astonishment or disfavor as to the 1 or few cases of somewhat rare vegan instances, it means that same meat-eater should be equally if not MORE concerned and warned after learning that meat has caused a whopping 300-thousand babies to be put in critical condition, and that meat-eating omnivore parents have lead to far Greater numbers of infants dead. Afterall, their own meat-based diets have resulted in even more babies' deaths.NEWS: 600 MORE HUMAN LIVES DAMAGED, AND 4 CHILDREN LEFT DEAD IN LATEST MEAT BASED DIET INCIDENT. #
OMNIVORES KILL MORE
OMNIVORES KILL MORE CHILDRENBreaking News: "Non Vegans have killed 6 more baby infants"6 babies deaths have now been attributed to drinking cow's milk.In 2008, omnivore parents feeding their children milk-based Dairy and Animal Products lead to the deaths of 6 children, and 300,000 more babies were hospitalized in critical condition.Milk and dairy prouducts, such as the cow's milk that the omnivore parents gave to their children, is known to contain levels of cyanuric acid, and feeding the animal products to their children left 6 babies dead, and 300-thousand more babies in severe condition.The company that provided the milk and dairy products for the infants was eventually forced to shut down. The meat-eating parents who fed their babies animal products thinking they were healthy hurt 300,000 babies and left 6 babies dead.If a case of 1 vegan ( one, or even finding a dozen, a 12-out-of-6 billion annual rate ), or lesser soy infant formula citations seem concerning, then view the following:For More Details: Put "Sick List Soars in Baby Milk Scandal" into GOOGLE and read it....and view how NON vegan omnivores who fed babies Cow's Milk, Dairy, Animal Products poisoned 300-Thousand babies, forcing them to be hospitalized with cyanuric acid poisoning and infant kidney damage, and leaving 6x TIMES as many babies dead from an animal product based diet.300,005 MORE cases of babies will need to be found in order for vegan cases would surpass the number or rate of infants harmed by omnivorous parents with a meat-based agenda imposing animal product based diets on their babies.#
Non-Vegan Mother kills own
Non-Vegan Mother kills own baby - Child scalded to Death over Parents pursuit of Meat-based-Diet <strong>News Alert!: OMNIVORE Mother Kills Her Baby Infant</strong>Meateater's pursuit of chicken wings leaves child scalded to deathCOLORADO Daily NewsA Colorado Springs woman has been charged with first-degree murder and fatal child abuse after her 9-month-old infant son drowned to death in scalding water while she allegedly left the home to obtain cigarettes and chicken wings.Meat eater Estella Toleafoa was charged Monday. The non-vegetarian is being held on a whopping 150,000 dlrs bond.An arrest warrant affidavit for the Omnivore said that residue and pieces of her baby's scalded skin were found stuck to the bathtub.If convicted of first-degree murder, she would face a mandatory sentence of life in prison without parole. The child abuse resulting in death charge carries a sentence range of 16 to 48 years in prison.The non-vegan neglected her child and left her baby at home exposed to hot water as she went out to obtain and eat chicken meat.Note: Put "Non-Vegan Mother Kills Baby" into GOOGLE to see the News of the meat-eating mother that left her infant scalded to death in pursuit of her meat-diet.###
I'm sure more children will
I'm sure more children will die out of eating bacon sandwiches and fried chicken. Cause it's kinda already happening...fablefoods.blogspot.com
I'm sure more children will
I'm sure more children will die out of eating bacon sandwiches and fried chicken. Cause it's kinda already happening...fablefoods.blogspot.com
Oh, c'mon, why did you feel
Oh, c'mon, why did you feel the need to post that? It's entirely inappropriate and completely insensitive of you to raise a personal - if preventable - tragedy in the context of your blog. What are you trying to say? And to whom? If you have access to the complete medical history of this child and the full autopsy finding, you'd have every right to offer informed comment. If you don't, a silent prayer of thanks you weren't in their shoes would have been sufficient. Get a grip.
Veganism and ignorance are
Veganism and ignorance are equally at fault here, I think. Definitely falls on the parents. Their child, they're responsible. They obviously ignored a multitude of signs that something was horribly wrong, and the end result is a dead infant. I've seen a plethora of commentary on this case, most of it incredibly ignorant as well. Things like "they should have weaned the child", "why weren't they giving her solid foods", etc etc. There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about breastfeeding and its value. Hell, some of the medical advice out there is effectively assuming that breastmilk isn't adequate nutrition for an infant, which is clearly a retarded thing to say. With a good diet, like Paleo or PB, human milk is more than adequate nutrition for any growing infant, short of any pathologies complicating matters. But if the mother is herself deficient... That changes everything. B12 and Iodine are very common deficiencies in Vegans. Both can have potentially devastating effects on infants, such as pernicious anemia and cretinism just to name a few.There is no excuse for what happened here. These parents should frankly go to jail.
Wow. Too bad such ignorance
Wow. Too bad such ignorance runs rampant. Sad indeed.
It's indeed very sad.As an
It's indeed very sad.As an European living in several European countries I have a hard time to understand why the government/social servcies/peditrician were not calling out a warning sooner than this. I raised three babies in three different European countries and it's my experience that the doctors or other government people get too involved. I was harrassed to start feeding my girl at 4 months old since the doctor thought she was too thin, which she wasn't, she just part Italian instead of German..The parents are not without responsibility, that's not what I mean, but sadly they thought they were doing the right thing . With so much propaganda for a vegan diet many never discover that it is not the best diet.